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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:38 pm    Post subject: Stephen Preen Reply with quote

We are looking for information on Stephen Preen, bornNovember 2 1853 and married Mary Thompson Dec. 25 1875.
Hope someone can help please. June and Fred
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi June & Fred,
Welcome to the forum.
I am having to nip out now, but when I get back I'll have a look for you.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi June & Fred,
Do you know if Stephen could of left England and went to Austria & then the USA?

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Fred & June,
Thanks for your private message, I have replied on this thread because it may be of interest to others as well.

I have found a Stephen Preen on the New York Ship lists in 1893 travelling on the Lucania from Liverpool. He was aged 38 , occupation Engine Driver, Citizen of England, and he had 3 pieces of baggage.

I have then found a Steve Preen in the 1900 USA census index, with a different wife Emilie and 4 children, 2 of which were said to have been born in Austria.

1900 United States Census index for Newark Ward 2, Essex, New Jersey
Steve Preen born abt 1854 England White Head
Emilie Preen born abt 1865 England White Wife
Charlie Preen born abt 1891 Austria White Son
Albert Preen born abt 1893 Austria White Son
Sydney Preen born abt 1897 New Jersey White Son
Lillie Preen born abt 1899 New Jersey White Daughter

Do you think this could be him?

Julie


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok I have now found the image of that 1900 census and I'm not sure it does say Austria for the children . Also I'm not sure it says England for Emilies birth place either.

It does however give us more info

Steve(n) was born in Nov 1853 aged 46 and had been married for 14 years. Both his parents and himself was born in England.
His year of immigration is given as 1884 and number of years in the united states looks like 6 (but should be 16). There is some sort of sqiggle under the column "naturalisation".
His occupation is given as Livery Stable. He can read and write and speaks English.
The house he lived in was rented. The address was 121 Washington Street, Newark City, New Jersey.

Its getting a little late now so I will give you the details of the others in the house tomorrow.

Best Wishes
Julie


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Emilie Preen Wife of Steve(n) was born April 1865 aged 35 married 14 years and has 4 children of which 4 are living.
The place that she and both her parents were born looks like Swizland.
Her year of Immigration is given as 1885 and no. of years in US is 15. Naturalisation column is blank.
She can read,Write and speaks English.

Charlie the son was born Nov 1890 aged 9 Australia? mother born Swizland? father England.
year of Immigration is given as 1896 and no. of years in US is 4.
He attends school and can read/Write and speaks English.

Albert their son was born Sept 1892 aged 7 Australia? mother born Swizland? father England.
year of Immigration is given as 1896 and no. of years in US is 4.
He attends school and can read/Write and speaks English.

Sydney the son was born Feb 1897 aged 3 New Jersey. mother born Swizland? father England. Immigration columns are blank for him and his younger sister. He speaks English.

Lillie/Tillie the daughter was born July 1891 aged 10/12 New Jersey.mother born Swizland? father England.


All this family has a W in the column headed Colour or Race.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have found this marriage (doesnt quite fit with the 14 years of marriage stated on the census but does fit if they married just before the eldest child was born)

Name Spouse Name Marriage Date Township County
Emilie Gay Stephen Preen 1889 Manhattan New York

It would be nice to see this certificate to see what it says about Stephens Parents. If you decide to get it I would love to know the outcome.
I have never seen any of the certs from the states so would also be interesting to see what is included on them.

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I have just checked the IGI and there is an extracted record for :

Stephen Preen born Shrewsbury and son of Charles Preen & Ann Walker who married Emilie Gay 18 FEB 1889 Manhattan, New York, New York


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Social Security Death Index
Charles Preen born 23 Nov 1890 Died Dec-79 Last Residence was Lake Worth, Palm Beach, Florida

Florida Death index
Charles Gay Preen died 20 Dec 79 in the county of Palm Beach aged 89 race is given as White and birthdate given as 23 Nov 1890.

Social Security Death Index
Albert Preen born 19 Sep 1891 died Jul-75 Last Residence was Lebanon, Hunterdon, New Jersey

Social Security Death Index
S. Preen born 19 Feb 1897 died Oct 82 Laguna Hills, Orange, California

Calafornia Death index
Sydney David Preen died 13 Oct 82 at Orange born 19 Feb 1897 New Jersey mothers maiden name Gay
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Fred & June
Thanks for your personal reply. (If you wanted to add to this instead of privately click "Post Reply" at the top, or at the bottom there is a quick reply box)

I have had a look to see if I can find any information about ordering certificates for this family. These 2 websites should hopefully be of use for the US ones

For the New Jersey ones:
www.nj.gov/health/vital/

For New York
www.health.state.ny.us/vital_records

And for Australia ones

For Charles Gay Preen born in Australia I have found his birth ref.
Ref. no. 16826/1890 Surname PREEN Given names CHARLES G Fathers given name STEPHEN Mothers given name EMILIE District HURSTVILLE

And Alberts
Ref. no. 17410/1892 Surname PREEN Given names ALBERT A G Fathers given name STEPHEN Mothers given name EMILIE District HURSTVILLE

www.bdm.nsw.gov.au

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have found him travelling to Australia but before his marriage in the States. I can only assume that he did alot of travelling and there are still other entries to be found.

http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=23
Index to Unassisted Inward Passenger Lists to Victoria, Australia 1852-1923
1884 November Stephen Preen aged 31 has beeen found onboard the ship PORT PHILLIP Port =British Fiche 443 Page 002

http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=42
Index to Outward Passengers to Interstate, UK, NZ and Foreign Ports 1852-1886 from Victoria, Australia
1884 December Stephen Preen aged 31 Ship name - PORT PHILLIP Destination - SYDNEY Film DEC 1884 Page 001
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Julie. Thank you for all the work you have done for us. We have been out all day with Junes sister and have been talking it over about Stephen.
We haad come to the conclution that he must have gone to America twice.
We will get on to the two sites you gave us tomorrow and will let you know as soon as we have any information.
Thanks again.

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Fred and June.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:45 am    Post subject: Stephen Preen Reply with quote

Hi Julie.
Have managed to download a form to obtain the marriage cert from New York, it will take about 6 weeks to come through.
Have tried to trace his travels.

Must have gone to America before 1884.

Nov 1884 went to VICTORIA, aUSTRALIA AND STRAIGHT BACK, dEC 1884 ON SAME BOAT "pORT pHILIP"

Married Emilie 18 Feb 1889 in America.

Back to Australia ?

Two children born in Australia

Then must have returned to America with family. Stephen returned to England sometime as he returned to America from England in 1893

Two more children born in America.

What a puzzle.

Regards, Fred and June.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The voyages in 1884, the second one was from Victoria to Sydney, not back home.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like he also made a trip back to the uk in 1905 or at least I have found a return journey to New York.
The ship he was on, the Caronia, had its maiden voyage earlier that year and was a Cunard ship nicknamed one of the "Grand Dames of the Atlantic".


Ellis Island Passenger Arrival Records (1892 - 1924)
Stephen Preen born 1858 Arrived 2 August 1905 in Ellis Island aged 47 Departed from Liverpool, England Nationality American Ship Caronia

www.norwayheritage.com/p_ship.asp?sh=caro1


It tells you a bit about the ship on this web page
www.thecunarders.co.uk/caronia%20&%20carmania.html

I'm pleased you managed to find out how to order the marriage certificate, you will have to let me know when you have received it.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for further information. He was a big traveller. As he is reported to have a livery stablein New Jersey he might have been dealing in horses or perhaps to do with horse racing. We shall never know.

Have posted request for Marriage cert, will let you have a copy when it arrives.

Fred band June.
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